I think that would be considered a bug.
Using your own opposing faction alt to trigger that bug would probably be considered exploiting a bug.
Key word is exploiting.

I just edited my post as you posted that lol

Intentionally triggering any bug that isnt working as intended would be exploiting that bug.

I can tell you guys one thing though, if you want this to be resolved, name calling and saying that CCP constantly favors one side or another isn't going to get you very far.

Because of the limited contributors to this thread, and how heavily role play / faction based the discussion is, It looks far more like a personal beef between factional enemies than it does a FW community-wide issue. That doesn't mean this bug isn't real, or that it shouldnt be looked at, but the way its being discussed and the fact that very few people are discussing it works against a speedy resolution.

I'd highly recommend paring back the "Your side does this. No YOUR side does it more. No, YOUR SIDE DID IT FIRST" dialogue and get more people in here confirming that this is going on, that its interfering with normal gameplay, and that the player base as an entitiy seeks resolution of the matter. That will encourage CCP to look into fixing this more than anything else.

Name calling, conspiracy theorization, biasing accusations and what-so will lead to nowhere.

Fact is that there is a bug, and it has been heavily used by some players that can't see themselves in disavantage and counter it with group work and strategy. If you (any of you, from whatever faction) got caught or not is also not the issue. Just live with it.

I've witnessed this bug being exploited several times, with the result being that this or that system can not be plexed back to the former faction occupancy, being locked to the exploiter faction due to plexesjust stop spawning in the time they were suppose to be.

Fix the bug, and warn/3rd strike ban exploiters until then. That would be all needed to be done.

Thats pretty rich lol.

And damar, not sure ive seen anyone deny anything. People here are just asking for a fix. This you must realise would stop both sides doing it lol.

So why so defensive? Stop with the persecution complex please.

If ccp deems it not working as intended and you continue to exploit it, then that is between you and ccp.

Well now someone has explained it to them properly without sounding like an ass they have said it is an exploit. Shouldnt you be happy?

Damar I am trying to say that what you did is shutting down the way the game is supposed to play. Your argument that a person in a plex and is exploiting dead space is not the same. A dead space does not close if the person is in it that is the way it is supposed to be but you are shutting the mechanics off and logging off. There is a difference and we took that to CCP and they made the decision that it was.

This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.

Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.

The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.

Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.

No, they way you do this properly is;

1. Declare on these forums you are going to exploit the bug.

2. Then the bug is clearly declared an exploit.

3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP.

I think that just about covers it lol.

They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.

This has to be dealt with rationally and from a mechanical standpoint, and sitting around saying "its always the other faction abusing this not me" and constantly challenging GM rulings gets the issue zero traction in terms of getting fixed.

If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it. But those that care more about seeing the bug get fixed have got to learn to curb the finger pointing and discuss the issue itself, or get more of the community at large into threads like this one which have cropped up numerous times now. They always break down into bickering among the usual half dozen suspects, and are very likely continuing to be de-prioritized by CCP as a result.

I'm glad he brought the issue up in an open forum, and saddened that, even though everybody agrees that getting rid of this stupid bug is a good idea, there is still much bickering to be had. Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.

BM would you be refering to when DT was the only time that plex spawns happened and ever two hour increments only had scraps of plexes to be had. I understand how you might feel origional ways then but not much hope when the pervs all EU had DT covered and us US TZ players could not log on. How dare CCP give us a chance at anything. Again another laughable and utterly rediculus statement from you that has no evidence to support it and no bearing on the real issue

And now they real issue is being resolved by CCP

First of all,sory for my crap english.

Now,the important part.

As some of you may know,i live in Oicx for last 3 year (if you want to shoot me,please drop by) and it is nice home sistem.

As i do ocasionly go for my 1 moonth eve break sometime i have nice suprise whan i come back finding out that some new guys did move in local and lot of fighting is to be done.But this time,once i returned,i did find out that sistem was switched to caldari control and Damar and his corp moved in,and i was hapy till i noticed something wierd.

I did try to retake sistem in 2 ocasions but didnt manage it cose of my gametime limitation,pirats,caldari militia and so,but next day whan i came back to try again i find out than there was no plexis at all in sistem.WIERD.So something suspicios was going on.

But after reading Damars post on forums,where he discus how tu bug a plex so it dose not respawn till next DT,i ask him personaly in local to stop doing it and he was told that his actions are gona be petitioned,he replayd childish saying he dont care,he is gona keep on doing it till CCP dose something,and in his personal opinion he was convinced that no reaction will come from CCP part.

After frapsing him buging the plex whit his gall alt,and provading lot of local chats log where he openli speak about his exploiting,he just got a warning from CCP and still write in here abouth suposed bug and his inocenc.Im not gona place his statment in here,but leme ashure you that he was intentionali using a bug to make game advantage over other players,avoid game mechanich and the way thay supose to work :All this actions are condiserd an EXPLOIT and not some inocent bug hapening ocasionly from time to time.

It is truth that CCP nead to fix this bug.But it dosent make a victim a guy who intentionaly EXPLOIT this bug for 2 weeks preventing me and other Gall militia members to plex in sistem and try to retake it ,by simply loging in after DT and using his gall alt to remove all plexis from sistem.

Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.

EXPLOTER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED (not realy cose exploiting is =BAN in most of the escenarios)

So Damar stop posting lies and pretend to be the victim or i will have to bring some more intersting information abouth your activitis in Oicx.

Thx for reading and sory for bad english.
PRAZ

EDIT: Im shure CCP didnt ask you to publicli post the way you EXPLOIT is working,cose before you get warning from CCP you did keep it for yourself and now that you cant do it any more you are sharing it to involve more ppl into exploiting this bug so we take our ayes of you,but you are wrong.

You intentions are not good and you just made this game more exploitabel sharing you personal exploit on forums.SHAME ON YOU behaving as a small child.

Actually, I've consistently refused to take sides in this conflict. It is not my place to call accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting (They admit this themselves, so there's nothing to discuss) and it's not my place to accuse the Gallente of doing this either since I don't live in your space and see things going on. That is the job of the GM's, not the CSM. All either side can do is petition problems and let the GM's handle the matter. They are the ones that gather evidence and sort through the data, I don't have access to their data so Its never my place to say that one side is doing this or the other. I have a responsibility to remain neutral, and I've done so.

The only thing I said I'd do was ask about the status of the bug, and you guys have gotten the answer, the bug is in the queue to be fixed. My work here is done for the time being, unless CCP persists in NOT fixing the bug. If it continues after the FW expansion than it will be time for me to take action again, if no other reason than I can't wait to see the bug fixed so there's nothing to complain about anymore.